By Jo Nova
It’s just another day in an endless round of blockbuster stories that once would have occupied a news cycle and foreign affairs panels for days…
Robert Redfield, the former head of the Centres for Disease Control (CDC), now says COVID-19 was ‘intentionally engineered as a part of a biodefense program. More radically, it may well have been a US program. He thinks there is a real possibility Covid-19 originated in a lab in Chapel Hill, North Carolina.
So the virus that may have killed 20 million people, cost trillions, changed history and wreaked havoc across the world, might have grown from a US experiment. This won’t be a shock to people following this topic on blogs and on X. But to have the former head of the CDC during the pandemic talking about it, takes these claims to a whole new level.
Isn’t it time we talked about bioweapon research?
Right now around the world, some 36,000 scientists are working on bioweapons, and those are the scientists we know about. One year ago, a warehouse in California was discovered by chance to be a clandestine biolab that housed frozen samples of things labelled Dengue, Malaria and Ebola.
As RFK Jnr explained it last year — Anthony Fauci was not only a “director of health”, he was also a director of bioweapons.
Trump’s former CDC director makes bombshell COVID claim that ‘there is a real possibility’ virus was born in North Carolina
By Stephen M Lepore for the Daily Mail
Appearing on the Third Opinion podcast, Redfield flat out stated that COVID-19 was ‘intentionally engineered as a part of a biodefense program.’ However, he calls the United States’ role in the development of the virus ‘substantial.’
He claims that the American government holds responsibility for funding research into the NIH, USAID and the Department of Defense. He then calls out researcher Dr. Ralph Baric from the University of North Carolina, whom he calls ‘the scientific mastermind’ behind all of this.
‘I think he probably helped create some of the original viral lines, but I can’t prove that. But he was very involved,’ he said.
When pressed on whether the virus was ‘actually developed here’ and that the Chinese may have been wrongfully accused of developing the virus, Redfield doubles down.
‘Well, I don’t know if they were framed, but I think there is a real possibility that the virus’s birthplace was Chapel Hill,’ Redfield said, naming the hometown of the University of North Carolina.
Still no one is held to account for the biggest industrial accident in history:
Trump’s Former CDC Chief Suggests US Origin for COVID: ‘Can’t Prove That’
By Jess Thompson, Newsweek
“When you look at the accountability for China, their accountability is not in the lab work and in the creation of the virus. Their accountability is not following the international health regulations after they realized that they had a problem. And allowing people like me at CDC to come in and to help them within 48 hours like they were obligated to, based on the treaty. But the U.S. role was substantial,” he said.
“One is they funded the research both from NIH [National Institutes of Health], the State Department, USAID, and the Defense Department. All four of those agencies helped fund this research. Secondly, the scientific mastermind behind this research is a guy named Ralph Baric at the University of North Carolina, and he was very involved in this research. I think he probably helped create some of the original viral lines, but I can’t prove that. But he was very involved.”
Newsweek contacted Ralph Baric, the NIH, the State Department and USAID. The latter said they don’t fund “gain-of-function” research. (Though definitions of “gain of function” shrink and expand like elastic bands to fit.) Most officials who disagreed said there was “no evidence” it was man-made. Which is largely true because the CCP destroyed the samples and the digital data, in some cases, before they even admitted anyone was getting sick:
“In August, September [2019], the initial cases of COVID in Wuhan began. Clearly, by the middle of September, there was a significant problem. OK, because—and I can’t remember the exact date. I think it’s in the public domain now, it was classified, but I think it was Sept. 19—but they did three things,” Redfield said.
“They changed the leadership of the lab. So it was a dual-use lab. They changed it from civilian to military. So the military was now put in charge of the lab. They did something highly irregular, which is they deleted the research sequences of COVID viruses that they had done years before. So the whole database was deleted.”
If Covid was a US creation in part or full, or US funded programs were involved, this could explain why no one in the highest layers of medical power in the United States pushed for an investigation in Wuhan. And the UN was useless too.
Redfield, at least admitted he personally should have pushed harder for the CDC to be allowed into the lab at Wuhan.
The original interview was with a Dana Parish — 3rd Opinion podcast released on November 14. Available on X and on Spotify.
🔥📣 I am thrilled to bring you this fascinating, shocking interview with former CDC Director, Dr. Robert Redfield. 👀 I almost fell off my seat a number of times. 👀
We cover a lot of ground in these 90 minutes, in which he shatters the establishment narratives on everything… pic.twitter.com/BMSBPgEWoK
— Dana Parish (@danaparish) November 14, 2024
h/t Philc
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Hm. Last time I looked on the map Wuhan and North Carolina were rather far apart. Are they saying that someone made the virus in NC and then put it in a container 12 Monkeys style and brought it to China? Or did they ‘design’ the genetic alterations on a computer in NC and have dupes in Wuhan make it? Neither sounds plausible or practical to me. Does Mr Redfield perchance have a book to sell?
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WIV and the Baric lab at UNC were collaborators on corona virus research with plenty of exchange of materials and personnel.
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Fort Detrick ?
Hello?
Outbreak in an Old Folks Home – was it Maryland or North Carolina?
Obama banned the research which was then moved to China ?
It’s all on record . . . or was at the time.
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Scissor – There was also collaboration at The Rock Mountain Lab in Montana which is a NIH institute.
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Thank you mawm, and Jon Rattin. I’ve been aware of the potential connection between Ralph Baric and Wuhan for two years. I forget most people may not know. I should have explained it.
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I can’t say whether Covid was invented in NC but l do know Ralph Baric was involved in sending a package of research, including genetically modified mice, to Wuhan. If Covid wasn’t in that package, the building blocks certainly were…
https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/05/12/the-truth-about-covids-origins-is-finally-coming-out/#google_vignett
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A complete load of Rubbish. Dr. Fauci has “doctored” everything. He even admitted that he misled (lied) to the US Congress about the ‘Game of Function’ at the Wuhan Lab –
https://reason.com/2024/06/04/anthony-fauci-gives-misleading-evasive-answers-about-nih-funded-research-at-wuhan-lab/
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In a now-infamous 2021 exchange with Sen. Rand Paul (R–Ky.), Anthony Fauci—the former longtime head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) and former chief medical advisor to the president—said that the National Institutes of Health (which oversees NIAID) “has not ever and does not now fund gain-of-function research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology.”
We now know this is not true.
A treasure trove of documents uncovered by congressional investigators and dogged investigative journalists has established that the NIAID was funding gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses at the Wuhan Lab via a grant to the scandal-plagued nonprofit EcoHealth Alliance (which the Biden administration just debarred from receiving federal funding).
These revelations lead to the inescapable conclusion that Fauci was being misleading at best (and dishonest at worst) about the NIH-funded research at Wuhan. It also has fueled eminently reasonable speculation that that research precipitated a lab leak at Wuhan which caused the COVID-19 pandemic.
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What with President Trump winning the election and Bobby Kennedy getting to be able to ask questions, I am hoping there will be some light shined on the Covid 19 nonsense.
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There are very legitimate reasons to be studying diseases, even after gain of function has been applied. The need for secrecy is the problem.
Why should a government be spending money on an infectious disease and this study not be published. All information, the initial grant application, the winners of the grants, the progress reports, (submitted annually) and the final report and statements of what happened to all the material created.
Secrecy is the reason that diseases can be MADE and released by accident or other. If the public are aware, then they may be able to make a political decision to promote or stop this work. With secrecy, the public will never know, if that’s the excuse for it, then surely there are several hundred public servants due for immediate dismissal.
It’s not their money, open the books. Let the public know what you are doing under their funding.
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Science justifies itself!
It is what is done with the science that is right or wrong.
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This is the key debate of our era Eng_Ian (assuming we don’t nuke ourselves first). If there are an infinite variety of deadly lethal potential viruses, should we try to create each and every one in a laboratory to make vaccines in advance, which take ten years to safety test, and which viruses can evolve around in months? Should we store these dangerous items long term, risking a leak, terrorist attack, or extortion. Should we publish the sequences of RNA or DNA so terrorists in a lab can recreate them? Should we publish the sequences of the antibodies that we hope will save us, which would allow an enemy to create a virus that the antibodies and vaccines won’t work against?
I’m normally a free market, full transparency kind of girl, but I don’t think the gain from these experiments is worth the risk.
There are far better ways to deal with the dangers posed by viruses. I’d rather we build an arsenal of antiviral medicines that we can use at a moments notice. I’d rather we research ways to excise embedded viruses from within our cells. I’d rather we studied how to regenerate our immune systems to prevent the lymphocyte depletion that occurs with age.
What if we could restore elderly immunity to its thirty-something strength? Suddenly the risks are reduced significantly, and as a side effect, lives are enriched, and possibly extended.
The impossible conundrum with allowing people to create a deadly virus and a vaccine for it, is that the inventors have a $100b incentive for the vaccine to get used. It’s just a stupid set of incentives.
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Even today, there are research scientists arguing that gain-of-function research is necessary for the progress of medicine. I was disappointed to see this expressed by Norman Fenton re his latest book “Fighting Goliath”.
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Pick it up and put it in your pocket.
Or somebody else will.
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The U.S needed biolabs in Ukraine, 46 of them , in order to help people, of course.
Why would you think otherwise ?
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-europe-united-states-nations-biological-weapons-a782591e10eae1530671500710c0b79f
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Didn’t the Spanish flu allegedly originate in Kansas.
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The Spanish were the first to publicise the American Flu breakout, which was all hush-hush in the state of origin. History rhymes and repeats.
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Possibly. It may have gotten its start at a pig farm, spread across the US, brought to Europe where it mutated into its much more virulent form and came back to the USA.
The reason it got stuck with the Spanish Flu name was that Spanish newspapers were more likely to report on it. Countries closer to the front lines of WWI didn’t want the other side to know a lot of the soldiers were very sick and out of commission. (Or dead.)
I call it the 1918 pandemic.
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The complete forensic story of the Spanish Flu outbreak
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Dana Parish 3rd opinion on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEbo3d8rd_Q&feature=youtu.be
link for Podcastindex https://podcastindex.org/podcast/7105709?episode=30398158470
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Sound like Robert Redfield is anticipating RFK Jr’s purge and turning state’s evidence.
Still a limited hangout, the big picture is this has been cooking for many years.
Well there goes another “Conthpriathy Theory” fellow shoppers. Monetised and politicised
at every step of the way. Look at the profiteers- they are the guilty parties!
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Seems reasonable. Prosecution of those responsible would be beneficial to restoring trust and preventing future occurrences.
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I wonder if there will come a time when we “conspiracy theorists” are referred to as “conspiracy factualists”
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The “outbreak”following the World Military Games in Wuhan in 2019 seems to have escaped scrutiny, as well.
Any thoughts?
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Is there an emoji for bullseye 🎯
Bingo!
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I recall that the Chinese initially actually blamed the US for importing the virus into China via the World Military Games! Even so, I think the Games were more coincidental.
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Do you coincidence theorists ever get sick of saying that, because you say it a lot.
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The Wuhan Military games were held in October 2019.
The evidence that the Wuhan lab had a leak was noted much earlier by satellite observation of hospital attendances in the area. June /July as I recall.
There’s your coincidence.
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Not sure I understand your point.
I recall the accusation was that it was exported via the World Military games, not imported.
Am I to believe we had satellites in stationary orbit over every hospital in China doing a headcount? This is evidence of what, shaping the narrative.
It could have been released or leaked anytime prior to it going offshore.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7813667/
There is no coincidence.
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I believe that the official Chinese position remains that C19 was a complete accident caused by random transfer from a bat to human … and also the USA did it for sure.
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If a real virus had been circulating you would have seen lots of sick people, as per cold & flu season. How many sick people did you see?
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Maybe the sick people were at home, being too sick to travel?
I know that I don’t go out much when I’ve got a cold. Bed rest and crap midday TV.
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Can you get the virus by being in a room when someone farted? I think that was how I got it and it wasn’t pleasant. The fart tat is.
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In Australia, prior to the release of Big Pharma’s genetic concoctions, statistics published by the government showed that the virus affected almost exclusively older people, and the average age of persons dying of/with the virus were essentially the same as current life expectancy. I am not sure what the excess deaths statistics showed for the same period. So in terms of what was likely to kill you, one report I read placed Cov19 at No. 38. Hardly the emergency that would necessitate the brutal reaction by our various state government.
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I think 38th is correct. Trips and falls was 14th, still waiting for a vaxxine for this and the lock down!
If I recall, back in the day when this was a conspiracy theory, the initial Gain of Function was done at Fort Detrick then moved to the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill, where the head of the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) Prof SHI continued the GoF research until Obumma canned it. The research was transferred to WIV and funded by the other Germ, Fauchi through Ecohealth and Peter Daszak.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/healthcare/2985416/peter-daszak-testifying-ecohealth-alliance-covid-origins-controversy/
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/nih-official-finally-admits-taxpayers-funded-gain-of-function-research-in-wuhan-after-years-of-denials/ar-BB1mwcLr
This was all known in 2020, yet not a single person has lost their Job or head.
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YYY – I do – myself.
I visited Queensland towards the end of 2019 and contracted an upper respiratory virus. It had an unusual presentation – high fever, slight dry cough and shortness of breath at rest. So much so that I thought I’d developed severe bronchopneumonia. I was probably the sickest I have ever been. Cleared up in 7days. Later when the Covid pandemic presented I tried to get antibody tests but was denied them.
I worked as a GP for a number of years before specialising in intensive care and anaesthesia. I have seen and treated innumerable patients with respiratory diseases.
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What a perfect synchronicity. 2020 an election year. Trump was going to walk in, if the US economy didn’t collapse. And magically it just happened!
2024, another election year. Trump wins. Is that a nuclear war? No, no, no they couldn’t do that?
Twenty million died, keeping him out last time?
“Wag the Dog”!
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It certainly seems as if they are trying to provoke Putin enough so that they can declare martial law and close down government before inauguration day.
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FWIW
“Trust in scientists hasn’t recovered from COVID. Some humility could help.
Intellectual humility could win back much-needed trust in science, study finds”
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/11/nearly-half-of-us-thinks-scientists-are-smug-study-finds-humility-helps/
Instapundit lead-in
“THE LYING DIDN’T HELP: Trust in scientists hasn’t recovered from COVID. Some humility could help.”
https://instapundit.com/685618/#disqus_thread
And comments there
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And it didn’t start with COVID either.
Before COVID we saw The Hole in the Ozone Layer and the CAGW fiasco.
All exploiting public ignorance of science.
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Why would America collude with China to develop bioweapons? By definition they are for use in warfare, and the accepted wisdom today is that the next ‘big one’ will feature America on one side and China on the other. So why did the US scientists (allegedly) share the research with a Chinese lab? It would be like the US jointly developing hypersonic missile tech with China.
That said, it appears that this research might have been, to some extent at least, hidden from the US government, so maybe the people driving it weren’t necessarily putting their respective governments first? If that is the case, who really WAS leading it, and why?
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The right hand doesn’t know what the left hand is doing.
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If an American citizen engages abroad in activities which are unlawful under American law, surely he/she is still subject to that law.
But it is starting to look here that the greatest villains are not the scientists who did the work, but the people who hid the information.
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In the US individuals or companies can be tried in a local court according to the Alien Tort Statute (paragraph 3 in the link below). Pfizer thought they could get away with misdeeds in Nigeria but were compelled by this statute to settle for damages with the Nigerian government and families.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullahi_v._Pfizer%2C_Inc.
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If something eludes a reasonable explanation, follow the money. And in politics follow the gain of power which is the prelude to money.
Machiavelli and Orwell were beginners.
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Steve, that was always the thinking that made me doubt the connection with Ecohealth Alliance and the Wuhan lab. However, this theory gained traction in the last 12 months, and now Redfield’s sudden testimony seems to give it a lot of credibility.
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I’ve long thought the whole Russia, Russia, Russia thing. Was mainly as a distraction from just how deep the CCP tentacles are into the Swamp.
China has a LOT of money to throw around
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For the sake of accuracy, it wasn’t the virus that ‘cost trillions, changed history and wreaked havoc across the world’. It was bureaucrats, politicians and journalists who did that, and this ubiquitous blaming of a virus only protects them from the consequences of their malfeasance. As for it killing 20 million people, one day historians will seriously question that trope also.
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Yeah, something’s weird.
Virus caused Pandemic, or Pandemic needed a cause?
Glaringly clear it was the later.
If your asking me.
And no one is.
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My instantaneous skeptical reaction is ‘oh here we go, another maybe theory’ although given the past performance of Fauci in the whole saga it would not surprise me since he appears to be a less than honest overpaid public official hiding so many USA biological secrets.
It is time for admissions since even the medical world is getting restless for the truth after being gaslighted by big Pharma and Government.
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The origin of the so-called covid virus is irrelevant. The covid pandemic was simply an illusion created by the use of a not fit for purpose PCR test. The creator of the PCR test Kary Mullis stated that with PCR, you can find almost anything in anybody as well stating the PCR test doesn’t tell you what you ended up with made you sick. The illusion of a pandemic was created by deceptively registering any death with a positive PCR result as a covid death regardless of the actual cause of death.
For example, if someone with late-stage terminal cancer returned a positive covid test, then in many instances, upon death, that person’s death would be registered as a covid death rather than death due to cancer which was real reason the person died.
Statistical analysis shows that the mean age at death for covid was not statistically different for the mean age at death for all-cause mortality.
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The most glaring sign was the reporting of ‘cases’ … because there simply weren’t enough deaths.
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Question #1: How much has Dr Redfield been paid by China?
Question #2: Did N Carolina and Wuhan collude before the outbreak?
Question #3: Who in government anywhere did not exploit the outbreak for themselves?
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Can’t answer #1 and #2 but #3 is surely rhetorical. It’s what governments do and why people are so keen to climb the greasy pole.
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Biodefense research? Is Trump dangerous enough to warrant that?
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Got nothing to do with Trump, been going on for decades. Plus , specific info on GoF was probably never given to any president directly. When Obama put a ban on GoF research it was via an accidental info leak. Bu then, that ban was bypassed anyway. Most GoF research was then moved off shore (to US). Geez, I think even the Australian CSIRO had some input.
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The real plannedemic of “Died Suddenly” started after the VAXXINE roll out….
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Old mate Redfield has had a real change of heart, hasn’t he? If this is a completely honest admission he should be checking any blind spots a lot. Maybe not keep regular lifestyle routines, mix it up a little. Keep an eye out for dark colored vans parked in the street. This could be the old limited hangout trick and we should probably pay more attention to what he didn’t say. It might be irrelevant anyway because I get the sense the “ people” want to move on from COVID. Just in our country we can’t even get a Royal Commission into the COVID bollocks. Biggest disruption to the country EVER and not a jot of introspection is sought. Which means we’ll repeat all the mistakes all over again next time.
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Covid, claimed the health expertise,
Would bring all of mankind to its knees,
But would not come about,
With their vaccine rollout,
Which many feared more than disease.
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Just like the JFK assassination the people that know the truth will continue to deny and cover it up until the last one dies. Even changing its name from wuflu to covid by UN edict tells me that obfuscation will rule for ever and a day. Bats and Wuhan wet Markets are just distractions. The fact that The US is paying huge sums to protect Fauci and sustain a particular narrative also speaks volumes! As does the determination by US Authorities to assassinate DJT before he can get his team into power. IMO the biggest crooks have been domestic governments that have conspired by regulation that has allowed citizens to suffer and die to protect big pharma. Not one politician empowered by covid has suffered and just to rub salt into the wound they have been allowed to retire without censure and very rich!
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Why I decided ( right from the start ) not to allow myself to be injected with the Covid vaccine :
First off I decided to do some due diligence , something it seems that most people didn’t do .
Already suspicious because the usual 7 years of safety and efficacy trials appeared to have not been done as the “vaccine” seems to have been developed from when the virus was discovered in a matter of months . Also obvious lies about Hydroxychloroquine rang alarm bells .
An internet search discovered 2 articles on Moderna :
https://www.statnews.com/2016/09/13/moderna-therapeutics-biotech-mrna/
and:
https://www.statnews.com/2017/01/10/moderna-trouble-mrna/
Back then it was a lot easier to find things like this than now . The internet is full of crap now .
Safety issues with the lipid nanoparticles seemed very real and I have seen no proof that these problems have been solved ( even now ) .
Since then more details have been filled in by various articles by Robert Malone and others to confirm my initial decision .
Note the date on these articles . I have these links saved in a folder labeled “ The bastards knew “ .
Now I think RFK Jr is the perfect box of laxetts to put through all the “ Health Officials “ who lied so much and caused so much harm . I am part way through his book . He knows what went on , or much of it anyway !
The origins of the Covid19 virus is one question , larger questions remain about the response by authorities .
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Agree with all of that. Husband and I were all ready to be vaccinated until a poor lady known to our family died immediately after being vaccinated with AZ. She was one of the only ones, I guess because it was early in the pandemic, to be acknowledged as having died as a result of vaccination. This sent us into a spin to get up-to-date with understanding the history of research re corona viruses. It wasn’t long before we discovered the work being done by Dr. Robert Malone, Steve Kirsch, Bret Weinstein and then so many distinguished epidemiologists etc who eventually signed The Great Barrington Declaration. There was no way, then, that we would consent to mRNA vaccination.
Subsequently, we have met and become friends with some noted opponents of the vaccines within the medical profession (all retired, of course!) who further explained the problems. So you are right, Delcon, as with most things in life – you can listen to the “experts”, but must do as much personal research as you can. This is called critical thinking – and it is rapidly becoming a rare endeavour in our society!
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For me, it was just the name ‘mRNA’ vaccine. It sounded like ‘DNA’ and so I thought it was going to alter recipients’ DNA, which seemed dodgy. I then spent a little time trying to find out the meaning and literally opened a Pandora’s Box of questions and thought, “What the heck is all THIS?” I decided to wait and see how the early adopters fared and didn’t like what I was seeing. When vaccine mandates became a thing, that sealed the deal for me. Whenever a salesman says I must buy RIGHT NOW, I walk away.
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Great story Vicki- I think a lot us could detail the awakening moment regarding COVID and especially the vaccines. I’ve been on Twitter/X now for 12 years and follow some very knowledgeable honest contributors. Early on in 2020 I learnt specifically about Gain of Function and then mRNA technology. Neither of which I knew a thing about. The quite amazing thing was that information on GoF and the faulty mRNA technology was quite easy to find. It was all reported in scientific journals and also general media. Plus, Jo’s blog has also been a valuable resource of info. But then those same contributors that I followed were censored, banned, kicked off (then Twitter) or shadow banned. Didn’t matter, by that stage I had enough scepticism to call BS on all things COVID and I knew the last place to get reliable information was (i) government (ii) MSM.
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The Pub test, it failed that simple test.
How many people do you know that died from it in 2020.
How many people do you know that were hospitalised from it in 2020.
Greg Hunt said “we are embarking on the world’s largest vaxxine trial and we are going to get lots of data.
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Vicki, an 18 year old son of my mechanic developed severe POTS after receiving a AZ covid vaccine. The family applied for compensation and were denied. The government stated only mRNA covid vaccines caused such complications.
That whole period was a very edifying time for me for all the wrong reasons.
Suffice to say, I won’t be listening to the Australian Government or the WHO anytime soon…
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Another source of disquiet came from Dr Bahkdi, a Thai/German doctor. One reference below. There are others. In the same manner I took heed also.
https://youtu.be/dmv65A1l7RQ
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Jo has focused on the origins of the virus. However, the full video covers much more, most noticeably some revealing insights into the safety and efficacy of the mRNA vaccines.
I highly recommend watching the entire video. Most of the commenters clearly haven’t.
Trust the science. Don’t blindly trust the scientists.
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Trust the message but don’t trust the person who wrote the message?
Trust the research not the researcher?
Hows that work?
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The poor woman who is unable to speak because she cannot remember more than five words at a time …. this is where I shudder at the focus of medical research on ‘longevity’ – there are fates worse than death.
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Someone had to develop a pandemic virus so that they could sell the killer mRNA vaccines.
Anyone had a good look at the contracts for the vaccines the Aus Govt signed?
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Not the Public/Voters, as those contracts are secret and in confidence, blah, blah, blah – They are the ones who paid for it all with Taxpayer/Borrowed money. None of their Business after all. /Sarc.
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Australian company CSL offered vaccines for around $500 million but the Morrison government accepted Moderna’s $2 billion bid. On the other hand, India rejected the offer of mRNA vaccines being donated by Moderna and Pfizer because a legal waiver would need to be signed to procure the donated shots.
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It’s starting to look as though Fauci makes Heydrich and Mengele look like humanitarians.
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I think it is important to recognise that Medicine does not equal Science – what separates the two is ethics, that you cannot truly experiment on humans, controlling all variables. So medicine is more about mathematics and statistics than truly Science.
To see the ‘ethics’ of medicine so twisted – that the trial had to be unblinded because it would be ‘immoral to not protect the control group from COVID’. From that twisted logic, you end up at vaccine mandates.
“What is medical research, why is it being done, and what is the market failure government needs to address with funding?” – I reckon we need to ask these more fundamental questions before we toss around jargon like ‘gain of function’
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Mike Reed,
Well as a high school biology teacher and having taught the kids about vaccines our immune response in terms of cytokines T cells ,B cells antigens and antibodies I was astounded that a brand new
technique in vaccination was to be tried out on the population and it was mRNA as the delivery method . I went – in my mind-this has never been done before in the history of medicine and what might be the consequences
of turning my body into a factory to make the spike protein well boy did my red flags go up and I explained to anybody that would listen (with diagrams too) that one almost certain outcome was clotting in small blood vessels -capillaries technically called thrombocytopenia. And what has followed would be the consequences of this technology ie pericarditis and the big killer Myocarditis ,I have personally seen the sudden death syndrome in sadly a few people who I have known that were friends .Then the term “negative efficacy ” turns up that means actually causing the down regulation of your immune system technically it would turn
off the P53 gene toll like receptors the very things that interrupt cancers and their spreading throughout the body. So our government through the TGA and APRHA ridiculed and threatened deregistration of any medicos
who called out this fraud. I think the says it all.
Cheers Mike Reed
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Prediction:
In a distant future, providing truthful history survives the UN, Wikipeed, Googly, and LietoUTube …
or the US Democrats do not succeed in Christmas gifting the world with MAD to stop MAGA and save PRIDE …
The Great Pandemic will be viewed not as a medical or contagion event …
but as a POLITICAL event.
We will see a continuing narrative confusion drone attacks designed to keep everyone distracted by the ‘science’ debate.
Deflecting from the real political event.
Same as it ever was with the Climate debate.
And the wealth continues to transfer.
Until the taxpayer well is finally dry.
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But most importantly – Stay positive … and asymptomatic
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Lots of writers have documented all of this. Debbie Lerman at Brownstone.org and Paula Jardine at conservativewoman.com.uk, in particular. It all goes back to 2000, to Fauci’s “bug to drug” paper and then his installation as our biowarfare czar. Wuhan was cleverly set up as the patsy. I actually think now that it was a gigantic political intervention that allowed the Dems to rig the 2020 election with lockdowns, lockboxes, and mail-in voting. Biden, a man who was already showing signs of dementia, somehow got 10 million more votes that Kamala Harris. And I don’t know if anyone remembers, but Biden actually made a slip at one point and said that there was an army of fraudsters out there working for him.
This 2008 paper with Ralph Baric’s name on it is worth a read:
https://www.pnas.org/content/105/50/19944
Synthetic recombinant bat SARS-like coronavirus is infectious in cultured cells and in mice
… Here, we report the design, synthesis, and recovery of the largest synthetic replicating life form, a 29.7-kb bat severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)-like coronavirus (Bat-SCoV), a likely progenitor to the SARS-CoV epidemic. …
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The evidence of a crime has been clear enough to allow a prosecution from the very early months of covid. What follows: the conspiracy cover up, is arguably as bad a crime as the original.
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https://drmcfillin.substack.com/p/the-billion-dollar-brain-myth Since 2000, American taxpayers have bankrolled over $40 billion in NIMH’s futile quest to reduce human suffering to faulty genes and brain circuits. While hardworking families watched their tax dollars vanish into laboratories searching for genetic markers and neural pathways, suicide rates soared, youth mental health collapsed, and communities lost crucial resources for actual healing.
Visit NIMH’s website and witness the grotesque spectacle of career academics and government bureaucrats parading their scientific theatrics – billions poured into impressive-sounding projects that produce nothing of value. While mental health outcomes plummet, these bureaucrats, comfortably ensconced in their laboratories, congratulate themselves on studying rat brains and genetic markers. “Neural circuit mapping,” “genomic research,” “domain criteria studies” – each grant masquerades as progress while Americans suffer.
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From my perspective the whole COVID-19 saga was about ignorance (from beginning to even now) and didn’t that show in so called expert opinions e.g. lock downs, shutting schools, isolating healthy people after unproven ‘contact with the infection’ under a test regime which appeared to be run by a bunch of amateurs using well known unreliable testing methods poorly. All the things WHO had listed as ‘Do Not Do!’ were done and several times over.
The WHO’s advice about infectious ‘flu was as appropriate in 2019 as it is now with one of the most important pieces of advice being not closing schools or locking down and so what went so wrong there with the supposed COVID-19 experts and who the hell appointed them at senior political level.
We paid for and still pay for professional experts in academia and what do we get if it isn’t a bunch of well heeled amateur incompetents (especially when it comes to a seasonal flu pandemic needing well known special mitigation measures i.e. NOT lock downs) because they constantly insisted that they and only they knew what was right to do. Sweden and others used their local experts’ brains and got better value for money. Pity leaders elsewhere were not up to a bit of personal responsibility when a consensus umbrella would stop them from any possibility of getting wet (did they give a damn or is the easy way out a natural consensus favourite?).
Is it any wonder we are up to our necks in brown stuff and nowhere good to go when it comes to climate science.
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Are you sitting comfortably?
This story has not appeared, so far as I can see, on the BBC.
That must be the shock of the decade, at least.
But ‘Auntie’ does follow the – er – guidance it is issued with.
Persecute the shade of Al Fayed [billionaire, now dead, but who seems to have been a monster of sexual offence against young women] – but not a virus killing millions …
The BBC’s silence on Jimmy Saville – a similar predator, but, perhaps, of even younger people of both sexes – might be explained by him being a BBC ‘Star’.
And utter silence on the implosion of Electric Vehicles, and the whole watermelon fantasy about ‘Green power’
Yet still boosting hydrogen; energy storage through compressed air, little dams in Scotland, flywheels, and Car-to-grid EVs … and saying nothing about the real challenges keeping the lights on – let alone running a modern society, with steel concrete, plastics and fertiliser – into 2025.
Even without the Return of the Dunkelflaute.
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COMPLETE BULLSHIT. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIRUS.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ANYBODY CLAIMING TO HAVE A SAMPLE OF COVID 19 VIRUS.
TOTAL BULLSHIT.
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We have discussed this many times.
There’s a billion observations that already fit the hypothesis that viruses are real. The hypothesis that all viruses are fake explains none of them…
Learn some virology. Its fascinating and changing your life whether you like it or not. We identify viruses with plaque assays, antibody tests, electron micrographs, PCR analysis, contact tracing. There is a symptom list, plus blood tests for D-Dimer, Cytokines, blood oxy levels, that appears to strike people who test positive in other ways etc etc etc. People who test positive, but have no symptoms are able to transfer whatever it is they have to people around them who then also test positive and some then develop those symptoms. (Low blood oxy saturation is very unusual). We do binding tests on various subparts of the virus with ACE2 TMPRSS2 and nuclear transport proteins, etc etc etc. See Nextstrain to get some idea of how much data they can’t explain. (Mouseover and then double click the dots on Nextstrain to see more data).
See past discussions:
https://joannenova.com.au/2022/08/sunday-open-thread-11/#comment-2575350
https://joannenova.com.au/2022/08/sunday-open-thread-11/#comment-2575964
https://joannenova.com.au/2022/10/blockbuster-fingerprint-genetic-evidence-strongly-suggests-covid-was-bio-engineered/#comment-2601146
If you only have ten minutes look up “Plaque Assays” and click on Nextstrain. When I say a billion observations it may be 100 billion. Dunno.
PS: Questions are welcome, but Yelling at us doesn’t make it true. Crass language too.
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